Sta.sh
Teddy Roosevelt said it best in a speech in 1907:
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
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So I got home the other day and realized that my apartment was kind of messy and I didn't really feel like taking the effort to clean it up. I decided to drive around and look for a new place to live, and I found a decent home where a nice Mexican family lived.
I walked in the front door, and they stopped what they were doing, wondering what I was up to. I told them to mind their own business. The couch looked pretty comfortable so I laid on down, changed the TV from Telemundo to an English channel. The mother started yelling at me in Spanish, so I had to tell her "Lady, I don't speak spanish and am not going to bother learning it, you need to learn English if you're going to communicate with me". I have a feeling she could piece together what I meant.
I informed the family that I was hungry, and they looked puzzled, which confused me, they didn't expct ME to pay for my own dinner did they? I have a family to support back at my old apartment, where I send my money... geez, the nerve of some people.
So I got up from the couch to use the bathroom, and unfortunately, twisted my ankle badly, and had to be rushed to the hospital, no problem, I'll wait around till I get some help. So I got all nice and fixed up, and all was going well for about a month till my new hosts received a bill in the mail for my Ambulance ride and the Hospital visit, and they flew off the deep end, told me they wouldn't pay for my hospital visit, or my food any more, and were even thinking of changing the locks.
They said all this in Spanish, which was really irritating because I thought i was pretty clear that I wasn't about to learn their language. I and the other 11 families I invited to live in their home all agree, that family is a bunch of inhospitable racists.
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As a legal and naturalized citizen of the US (my parents came from Asia 40 years ago), I think it is high time we had a law that addresses this issue.
We cannot have any system where people take from our society and do not put back into it - this includes not only taxes but participation in society as a whole to make it better. If you are here illegally then your offspring should not be granted rights and benefits afforded to citizens.
While we are at it we should make English the only recognized legal language in the country. We should embrace and support different cultures/practices but having taxpayers money spent on items like bi-lingual ballots, signs, dcouments etc makes no sense. What unifies and defines countries are things like a common language. Our common language is English.
Also just granting amnesty to those that are here illegally only creates more incentives for more illegals to come into the country as they know one day they too will be granted amnesty. Obama was correct when he said that we needed a comprehensive plan to address the whole illegal immigrant issue - I am glad to see this one measure gaining some traction as its long overdo.
Congrats to the states for taking the initiative as our dysfunctional 'so called leaders' in Congress bicker and fight all day and then they run around and raise money and campaign to get re-elected. Its no wonder nothing ever gets done by those clowns.
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While growing up during the 60's-70's in North Texas, about half my friends I went to school with were of Latin descent. We were all working class families and would spend time cooking out and going camping and fishing with each other. We respected their cultural heritage and they respected ours. Ours moms would swap favorite dishes, theirs handed down from old Mexico, ours handed down from the old South. Most of these families had roots in Texas going back one hundred years or more, they would proudly call themselves Americans and felt honored to consider themselves Texans. There was no bellowing " I'm Mexican- You Owe Me!!!" Mr. Martinez lived next door and I did not understand why he so vehemently detested in his own words "Those damn wet backs". He was a working class tax payer and saw what the future held. After living on the south Texas border and being subjected to blatant racism and the You Owe Me culture with its imbeded dependence on welfare, I now realize Mr Martinez was justified in his ire. His forefathers fought on the side of the Texas army to escape the tyranny, oppression and corruption of the Mexican government. They were tired of having their land and livestock taken from them by force at the hands of the Mexican Army. If all of you haters of the "gringos" really want to return California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back over to Mexico, ask youself this: who is going to pay the taxes to support you? The rich Chelangos in Monterrey and Mexico City? I think Not!
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-Various discussions regarding the immigration problems in the U.S., pulled from various sources.
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I am ready to immediately recognize these two Russian. For such cases, the most sober-minded patriots coined the term "Russian of all nationalities"
Of course, the United States are very different from Russia. But the problems described in the deviation, we know well.
In Russia there is a significant difference between the terms "Русский" and "Россиянин", because the first word means the nationality, citizenship and the second means, but these words are translated into English as one word "Russian." Russian in Russia, 80% of the population, they produce a major portion of the gross national product and pay the bulk of taxes. Of course, Russian (as well as the "Russian of all nationalities") want the non-Russian migrants and respected Russian way of life, language and customs. Instead, the government made up mostly of non-Russian, forcibly encourages us to be tolerant. At the same time authorities in the courts have banned a large public organization called the "Movement against Illegal Immigration." How do you like it, eh? At this time the non-Russian deal that sell drugs, commit crimes against persons and property, as well as corrupt practices, and act as strikebreakers.
In my opinion, the U.S. and Russia should drastically reduce immigration. It seems to me that "Americans of all nationalities" who honestly work and pay taxes, are interested in this. We've had enough visitors! We have already taken place as a nation. If we compare the country with the digesters, the soup is ready, and he does not need supplements. And if you climb into the soup flies and cockroaches, this is not soup, it will be garbage.
That's the one thing I really don't understand: You (being any immigrant in general) WALKED OUT on your home country and BY CHOICE, willingly crossed the border and into another country, where YOU decided you will live. And yet once there, you demanded that said country completely change every aspect about it to accomodate you. From things such as documents and communications sources in your native language to pushing your foreign culture on everyone and a refusal to adapt to the local culture and even getting politicians and government organisations to not only support all of this, but force more of it on the people.
The only thing that will achieve is frustration, animosity, and ethnic hostility.
I agree with you completely, Russia and the U.S. need to dramatically reduce immigration. There's nothing wrong with it when its limited and better controlled, and when the immigrants fully assimilate into the culture. The language of Russia is Russian, so if you move to Russia, you need to learn to speak and read Russian, period. No one should be expected to learn to speak your language, and certainly no one should be forced to learn to speak your language.
The same goes in the United States. The language of the U.S. is English, so if you move to the United States, you need to learn to speak and read English. Here in the U.S. though, there's this insane concept called political correctness, which amont other things means its culturally and socially unacceptable to demand that immigrants learn to speak and read English. Not only that, but the native people of this country should go out of their way to learn Spanish, the language of the majority of immigrants.
Nobody said "All Mexicans should be turned into Americans!" or "All Caucasians have to do Russian!" It's almost unreal, like a cat to turn into a dog. But the state should be strict rules - the rules of spoken and written language, the implementation of the norms of cultural backgrounds, norms of the realization of civil rights, the rules of naturalization. There should be no privileged minorities outside criticism. Subject to such rules society and the state will be operational.
That's exactly it. You don't have to completely give up your cultural hertiage and your past...but you do have to assimilate into the culture and heritage of your new home country.
And there certainly can not be "privileged minorities" that get special treatement and have certain rules and laws not apply to them. That'll just further widen the divide between the natives and the immigrants and can fuel fires of resentment and eventually open hostility.
I understand that this is not the best way out. But we must either stop immigration or to create a "Pale" (even if not geographically, but legal), which would restrict the rights of immigrants, depending on how they are integrated into local society. By the way, in the Orange Free State of Boers at once blacks got equal rights with whites, if they have certain property qualifications.
That is - honestly acquired property, "transparent" source of income, language proficiency in full and, possibly, level of education. In my opinion, the state has the right to require immigrants to conform to certain specific requirements. The State should not be indifferent to who it takes to live - honest workers or criminal rabble. May need to be a probationary period during which the worker may be repatriated (and his family, too!) If he commits a crime.
I understand that I do not like political correctness and tolerance supporter. And I am not a supporter of these concepts! Justice does not mean that I have to put up with the plague, cholera, or gangrene. With gangrene should not argue, it should be amputated.
And on the topic I want to quote a poem "Nationality" of Australian poet Mary Gilmore -
I have grown past hate and bitterness,
I see the world as one;
But though I can no longer hate,
My son is still my son.
All men at God's round table sit,
and all men must be fed;
But this loaf in my hand,
This loaf is my son's bread
The same thing happened in the U.S., though it never had an official name, it went by its concept which was "Separate But Equal". Whites and Blacks would be kept apart by laws, but at the same time, everything whites had blacks would have, and up to the same quality. That was the idea on paper though...in practice, the blacks had little more than they did during the slavery era.
The best way to handle the immigrant situation, as how I see it, is to treat the illegal immigrants as criminals. After all, that IS what they are. They're in the country illegally, therefore they have committed a crime. They need to be arrested and punished as such. They should have no rights, because they're not citizens. Granted, they shouldn't be tortured, beaten, starved, or anything like that, but at the same time, they're not citizens of the U.S., so they do NOT get the constitutional rights that actual citizens do.
People who want to come to the United States and who do so legally should get everything that any native born citizen has, in terms of rights and legal protection. They shouldn't automatically be given money or food or housing just because they're from another country, but when it comes to protection of the laws, under the laws, then they get everything.
Your outlining of certain requirements...that is already a part of the legal immigration requirements here in the U.S. Immigrants have to learn a fair bit of U.S. History, they have to know the U.S. constitution almost completely, they have to be able to speak and read English, and not have a criminal background. And lastly, they must swear allegiance to the United States, that they will only have loyalty to the United States and no other country, even their home country.
I do not think there is a probationary period like you outlined, but that could be a good idea. What good would it do the U.S. or Russia if a person legally enters, then less than 6 weeks later commits armed robery or murder?
Political correctness is going to ruin the U.S., and any other country it is being forced on. It has already crushed freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and its just a matter of time before it takes apart the remaining freedoms.
Going with your analogy, political correctness tries to "cure" a headache by cutting off the head.
Quite a poem there my friend. Everyone should indeed be fed, but its not up to one person to feed everyone.
I'll just say this- "Sweet Home Alabama" looking pretty damn good now. . .